Hey all, been following this group but have never used. I do have vouches on the Sangin owners group and a 100 percent rating on eBay if that counts for anything. I am looking to trade these two watches for a Tudor pelagos. Prefer black dial but beggars can’t be choosers. Both watches come with full kit. Plus extras. Can send any other pics if desired. The hydra does have a small scratch at the 7 o’clock area of the crystal.